This is a deep-dive conversation between Jesse Michels and researcher UAP Gerb (Sammy) covering the most significant recent developments in UAP crash retrieval, reverse engineering programs, psionics, and whistleblower testimony. The discussion spans from the 1933 Magenta crash in Italy through the 2024 Jake Barber revelations, weaving together decades of testimony, documents, and institutional analysis to argue that the U.S. government and its allies have been running a sustained, multi-generational program to recover, reverse engineer, and weaponize non-human craft and technology.
The Jake Barber Story and Its Significance
Jake Barber emerged as a major UFO whistleblower in late 2024, claiming firsthand involvement in crash retrieval operations, including recovering an egg-shaped craft.
His account is internally consistent with earlier testimony from Michael Herrera (2009 Indonesia encounter) and Jonathan Wagant (1997 Peru encounter), both Marines who described similar elite retrieval teams and craft features.
The initial News Nation special featuring Barber was widely seen as overhyped and anticlimactic, but follow-up interviews by Ross Coulthart and others helped vindicate the core of his story.
Barber’s claims about psionic assets being used to summon or force-land craft remain the most controversial and uncomfortable element for many researchers.
Michael Herrera and Jonathan Wagant: Parallel Marine Encounters
Michael Herrera (2009, Indonesia) and Jonathan Wagant (1997, Peru) both described encountering non-human craft and being intercepted by elite retrieval teams.
Herrera described a Vantablack, octagon-shaped craft hovering above treetops; his unit was taken into custody by a paramilitary team with advanced equipment (bioscanners, rangefinders) and no insignia.
Wagant, during Operation Laser Strike (anti-narco operation in Peru), found a large egg-shaped craft with a mother-of-pearl shimmer effect on its skin, liquid seeping from it, and what appeared to be bodies inside.
Both described retrieval teams wearing DOE-lettered rain jackets and black fatigues with American dialects but no insignia, suggesting a standardized crash retrieval apparatus.
UAP Gerb personally vouches for both men’s credibility and was the backchannel who connected Herrera and Barber after Herrera’s 2023 testimony at Steven Greer’s National Press Club event.
The Retrieval Apparatus: Who Runs It?
The crash retrieval ecosystem involves multiple overlapping teams with different institutional homes.
DOE Nuclear Emergency Search Teams (NEST) are likely involved when hazardous materials or biologics are present, as in Wagant’s Peru case.
A separate tier involves former JSOC Tier One operators (Delta Force, SEAL Team 6, Intelligence Support Activity, 24th STS) organized into private teams willing to use lethal force.
UAP Gerb believes the NSA, more than the CIA, is the primary government entity pulling strings today, based on testimony from a former Army Public Affairs officer who said he was “terrified of the NSA.”
The public-facing AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) director John Kolowski is a former NSA official, reinforcing this connection.
Psionics: The Mind-Matter Connection
Psionics (psychic abilities applied to intelligence and weapons programs) is a recurring and deeply corroborated thread in UFO research, though it remains the most stigmatized aspect.
Philip J. Corso testified that in the early 1960s, the Army’s Foreign Technology Division was attempting to use recovered technology to guide ICBMs with human brain waves.
Leonard Stringfield’s crash retrieval status reports (1970s–80s) described headband transceivers found in recovered craft, suggesting operators piloted them mentally.
Robert Sarbacher (scientific adviser to Vannevar Bush’s R&D board, head of Washington National Labs, IQ reportedly 200+) told Wilbert B. Smith in 1950 that U.S. authorities studying UFOs were “obsessed with the mental phenomena” accompanying them.
Dr. Eric A. Walker (Penn State president, one of the most esteemed scientists of the 20th century) confirmed attending UFO crash retrieval meetings since the 1950s and was present at the 1965 Kecksburg crash. When asked about Majestic 12, he responded: “What do you know about ESP? Unless you know about the sixth sense, you would never be let in,” adding a Don Quixote reference about chasing windmills.
Dan Sherman’s book Above Black describes being recruited into an NSA program (Project Preserve Destiny) where he was used as a “human antenna” for alien signals via binaural beats and other protocols, claiming genetic manipulation in the womb.
Andre Puharich ran the Round Institute in Maine and recruited “space kids” to upstate New York for downloads; Star Trek was allegedly inspired by one such download relayed through a woman connected to Gene Roddenberry.
Tim Taylor (biotech entrepreneur who sold a company for $88 million) claimed his business ideas came through downloads, according to Diana Pasulka’s research.
The Stargate Program and Military Psionics
The U.S. government ran systematic psionic programs for decades.
The Stargate program (1972–1995) employed psychic spies; Joseph McMoneagle located a novel Russian submarine in 1978–79, winning the Legion of Merit.
SRI International, SIC (Science Applications International Corporation), and ONR (Office of Naval Research) all studied psionic phenomena; ONR published studies on a “sixth sense” in humans as recently as 2011–2012.
General Albert Stubblebeare, who created INSCOM and the Intelligence Support Activity, was deeply interested in both psychic spies and UFO crash retrieval programs.
The movie The Men Who Stare at Goats was based on Stubblebeare’s programs.
Randy Anderson: Green Beret at the Off-World Technologies Division
Randy Anderson, a Green Beret 18B weapons sergeant and war hero, was taken underground at Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane to a facility he described as significantly more modern than the surface installation.
He was shown an “Off-World Technologies Division” room containing a metallic basketball-sized sphere levitating above a podium that reacted to human consciousness.
A mutual witness, Jordan of Skywatchers, independently described being shown the same type of sphere as a late teen in the Gate program.
Another individual (Shane Freaks) has also described being shown a sphere and tested for psionic connection to it.
Randy has also seen triangle craft at Area 51 that appeared to use electrogravetic propulsion, taking off silently without disturbing dust.
UAP Gerb and Jesse Michels both vouch for Anderson’s credibility and service record; they describe online attacks on his service as shameful.
Philip J. Corso and the Golden Age of Army R&D
Corso’s The Day After Roswell (1997) is a mixed bag due to heavy editing by a co-writer, but his unpublished manuscript Dawn of a New Age is considered far more reliable.
Key differences: Day After Roswell includes a fabricated passage about Corso intimidating a CIA director to suicide and a first-person Roswell account Corso never claimed; Dawn of a New Age omits these but includes other unique material.
Corso’s core claim: Under Lt. Gen. Arthur Trudeau (1958–1962), the Army’s Foreign Technology Division partnered with U.S. industry to study and seed technologies from the Roswell crash and possibly other crashes (Aztec, Corona, Plains of San Augustine).
Materials went to Bell Labs, Sperry Rand, and eventually to Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and others.
Roscoe Hillenkoetter (first CIA director) made the call to distribute technology to the civilian side.
James Fox, who interviewed Corso, said “gun to my head, I think Philip J. Corso was legit.”
FFRDCs and UARCs: The Hidden Middle Layer
Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) and University Affiliated Research Centers (UARCs) serve as the critical middle layer between military/intelligence programs and defense contractors.
Examples: RAND Corporation, MITRE Corporation, Sandia National Labs, Lawrence Livermore, Lincoln Labs, Penn State UARC, MIT Soldier Nanotechnology Institute, USC Institute for Creative Technologies.
These institutions perform project management, subject matter expertise, and R&D, providing one-step removal between military sponsors and contractors (most contractor personnel don’t know what they’re working on).
MITRE and Aerospace Corporation were founded in 1959–1960, exactly during the golden age of Army R&D Corso described.
AARO director John Kolowski confirmed in 2024 that AARO works with both UARCs and FFRDCs.
When Sean Kirkpatrick left AARO, he went to Oak Ridge (an FFRDC), which does far more than nuclear work—it’s a frontier materials science lab.
RAND Corporation: Michael Rich (son of Ben Rich, former Skunk Works president who made famous UFO statements) was president of RAND for decades. Thomas Townsen Brown’s anti-gravity experiments were observed by RAND, after which his experiments mysteriously failed—suggesting covert IP transfer to Northrop via investor Floyd Odlum.
Battelle Memorial Institute: Likely the primary contractor studying biologics (runs a biological materials lab at Fort Detrick) and does classified work at Dugway Proving Grounds. Battelle managed the classified side of UFO research under the Atomic Energy Commission while Project Blue Book handled the public-facing side. Battelle published research on shape memory alloys (nitinol) in 1949 alongside Project Stork, possibly extrapolated from Roswell materials.
Steven Greer: Mixed Legacy
Greer is a pivotal but controversial figure who brought massive exposure to the UFO topic.
He was a practicing trauma doctor before dedicating himself to UFO disclosure; he claims at age 18 he was contacted by a “cosmic intelligence” and told to save the world.
His 2001 National Press Club event featured numerous whistleblowers, many introduced to him by UFO researcher Bill Hamilton (author of Cosmic Top Secret).
Greer built heavily on the work of Hamilton and a former Boeing technician (referred to as “AH”), adopting their site names (Edwards, China Lake, Dugway) and claims (35–40% of Area 51 programs moved to Dugway).
Around 1992, Albert Stubblebeare offered Greer $2 billion—not just to shut up, but to purchase his organization (CSETI) and integrate it into Stubblebeare’s work.
Greer’s increasing focus on C5 (psionic summoning of craft), love-and-light spirituality, and questionable claims (e.g., posting photos of cacti as entities) has alienated some researchers.
Greer accused UAP Gerb of being an “intelligence asset” after a source who had spoken to both of them relayed Gerb’s name to Greer—a claim Gerb denies, noting he has no clearance, no military or intelligence background, and works as a mechanical engineer.
Despite frustrations, Greer is credited with bringing forward critical witnesses, including “Ed” (a director of an electronic warfare group at Edwards under the 412th Test Wing), who was scheduled to testify before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence but got cold feet.
Bob Lazar and S4
UAP Gerb’s position on Bob Lazar has evolved: he believes Lazar worked at Area 51 and probably S4, but may have been deliberately shown certain things as part of a recruitment or passage-material process.
S4 (southwest of Papoose Mountain range near Papoose Lake) is considered a real place by multiple witnesses, including one person UAP Gerb spoke to who described colored pathways matching Lazar’s account.
Edgar Fuche (verified USAF master sergeant who worked at Area 51 in the 1970s) claimed S4 ran the Defense Advanced Research Center (DAR), an underground facility proposed in a 1970s DARPA document.
Chris Ramsey’s documentary Project Gravitar (featuring Luigi from Project Gravitar) is expected to provide significant corroboration for Lazar’s S4 claims.
Joe Rogan has hinted offline that there’s information that would make MIT’s deleted records about Lazar make sense—possibly connected to a UARC.
The Norton Air Force Base ARV Show (1988)
Brad Sorenson (industrial designer) and Mark McCandish (top aerospace illustrator) are the primary witnesses to a classified exhibit at Norton Air Force Base in October–December 1988.
Sorenson was brought in by a former high-level official (possibly a former Secretary of Defense) who passed him off as an aide; senators including George Brown Jr. and Cranston were present.
Behind a black curtain in a hangar, three flying saucers (“Mama, Baby, and Papa Bear”) were hovering off the ground—identical in composition but scaled to different sizes, shaped like acorns or jelly molds with domes on top.
A VCR presentation showed the craft hopping over a dry lake bed; panels were removed showing copper plates, a rotary arm (like a Tesla coil), and a removable crew cabin with an F4 Phantom jump seat and handball controller.
The craft looked “made by scientists, not engineers”—slag, chips, rivets, no streamlining, appearing beaten up.
The pitch was for continued funding from the incoming administration (Reagan’s Star Wars had funded the project); the story given was that these were reverse-engineered from a 1947 crash, “forcibly taken” and “never meant to be had.”
McCandish created line art of the craft and investigated the “flux liner” ARV multiple times before his death by self-inflicted gunshot wound in 2020.
Sorenson gave a firsthand interview to Bill Scott of Aviation Week and Space Technology in 1990, confirming this is not a secondhand account.
The term “alien reproduction vehicle” (ARV) was coined by Sorenson and relayed in Hamilton’s 1992 book.
Kent Slin claimed to see the same craft over Edwards Air Force Base in the 1970s; a pilot named Harvey took a photo over Provo, Utah (near Dugway) in the 1960s showing the same design including a synthetic vision camera array.
The TR-3B and Other Reverse-Engineered Craft
Edgar Fuche described the TR-3B, a reverse-engineered flying triangle with multiple versions (200–600 feet in diameter), crew of four, serving logistics for a “secret space fleet.”
Propulsion was reverse-engineered by Sandia and Livermore (FFRDCs); the program was run by NSA, CIA, and NRO with contractors including Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing.
Pilots were plucked from the Air Force Test Pilot School at Edwards (412th Test Wing)—exactly matching the witness “Ed” who directed an electronic warfare group there.
Fuche’s account is corroborated by a separate individual who saw a triangle craft take off at Area 1 (silently, without disturbing dust) during a classified operation.
Paul Benowitz documented seeing exotic vertical takeoff and landing craft at Kirtland Air Force Base in his book Project Beta.
Bill McDonald (forensic artist who worked with Ryan Wood on Majestic document EBE drawings) met with two Northrop and two Lockheed engineers in 1992 who dictated a drawing of a triangular ARV called the XF-131 Super Sentinel operating out of RCS facilities in the Mojave Desert. This design appeared in the first episode of The X-Files, which Chris Carter allegedly based on true stories from John Duza.
The 2008 Lockheed Attempt to Transfer Craft
In 2008, Lockheed Martin attempted to transfer materials or a craft from the Kingman, Arizona 1953 crash to the SATOP program through the CIA’s Office of Science and Technology, headed by Glenn Gaffney.
Gaffney blocked the transfer.
UAP Gerb believes this was the actual 1953 Kingman crash material; Lockheed was comfortable giving it up because they believed no other entity could make sense of the technology—a stark contrast to the ARV narrative where functional craft were supposedly built.
Dick Cheney and the Architecture of Secrecy
Dick Cheney is discussed as a likely central figure in UFO program oversight.
A supposed S4 whistleblower named Derek Hennessy (who falsely claimed to be a Navy SEAL) said Cheney visited S4 in the mid-1990s; independently, Cheney was documented visiting Air Force bases around that time to assess operational efficiency.
David Grush identified Cheney as one of the gatekeepers of the program.
Under Bush 43, Cheney, Stephen Hadley, and others contemplated disclosure but decided it was “too ontologically shocking” and could not be publicly disclosed.
Barton Gellman’s biography The Angler portrays Cheney as the architect of the Iraq War based on false intelligence, representing oligarchic corporate interests—suggesting he would be the “tip of the spear” of any shadow government.
The Zodiac Program
Zodiac was a crash retrieval program first described in a 1998 UFO Magazine article by pseudonym Greg Halifax, describing someone brought into the program in 1988, 2001, or 2002.
Richard Dolan tracked down the likely author and believes Zodiac was a real crash retrieval program operated by TRW (later acquired by Northrop Grumman in 2002).
An email chain involving Hal Puthoff, Kit Green, and Eric Davis discusses Zodiac in the context of the Santilli alien autopsy film.
Zodiac may be another name for Majestic 12 (12 signs of the zodiac = 12 members), similar to how Majestic 12 was also called the Working Group or PI-40.
Majestic 12: Assessment of the Documents
The Majestic documents first appeared in 1984 when a film canister was delivered to UFO researcher Jamie Shandera, containing the Eisenhower Briefing Document, the Special Operations Manual, and other materials.
Key alleged members: Vannevar Bush, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, Donald Menzel, Von Neumann, Jerome Hunsaker, Nathan Twining, Gordon Gray, and others—essentially the best and brightest of mid-century American military-intelligence-science.
UAP Gerb believes the Eisenhower Briefing Document and Special Operations Manual are likely authentic, based on Stanton Friedman’s work and the Woods’ provenance research (physical document testing).
The Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) reports (1947–1950) are also considered likely real; William Steinman confirmed the IPU’s existence to a federal contact who said records had been deleted and it existed only in institutional memory.
Corso’s manuscript suggests Majestic 12 was renamed the “UFO Working Group” around 1986, possibly because of the leaks, and received new leadership including Albert Stubblebeare and NSA/CIA people.
The Cutler-Twining memo is also difficult to dispute.
A four-star general was reportedly asked about Majestic 12 and said it was real but could say no more.
Corroborating detail: diary entries from Truman and Eisenhower that emerged after the Majestic documents corroborated meeting dates mentioned in the documents.
The 1933 Magenta Crash and Nazi Connection
David Grush revealed a 1933 crash in Magenta, Italy (near Lombardy); Mussolini’s RS-33 investigation group determined it was not human technology.
Mussolini asked Hitler if it was Nazi; the Nazis and Italians apparently collaborated on studying it.
James Jesus Angleton (OSS) was the U.S. person involved in Italy at the time.
This connects to Nazi flying saucer programs (Schriever, Miethe, Bellonzo) in Czechoslovakia and Poland, and to Operation Paperclip scientists brought to the U.S.
Hans Kammler, who ran the blackest V-2 programs for the Nazis, made his way to the U.S.
Henry Coandă (Romanian scientist with a 1936 patent on the Coandă effect for stabilizing saucer craft) was forced to work under the Nazis, then taken to Wright-Patterson for Project Y (an extension of the Avrocar program), where he coordinated with Thomas Townsen Brown on gravity experiments.
Kissinger was an Army counterintelligence officer doing tech retrieval in post-war Germany.
Forrestal (Secretary of the Navy) was deeply involved and died under suspicious circumstances at Bethesda Naval Hospital.
International Collaboration and Conflict
There is evidence of both collaboration and conflict between nations over UAP technology.
Jonathan Wagant’s 1997 Peru interrogation involved Americans, Chinese, and Germans at an obscure military base.
Canadian MP Larry Maguire wrote to the head of Canadian defense in 2023 about an active Five Eyes nation collaborating on material exploitation.
The SALT I negotiations (1971) included coordination with the Russians on the UFO question to prevent mistaken acts of aggression; Kennedy reportedly wanted similar cooperation.
Bob Lazar claimed Russians were present at Area 51 before being expelled as tensions rose.
Carl Noll (deputy CTO of Northrop Grumman, former UAP Task Force member, Army Futures Command) described an “under-the-table secret conflict arms race” with adversaries for “feudalistic dominance.”
The Immaculate Constellation report describes ARVs (equilateral triangles with three lights) seen over Indo-Pacific command territory (Chinese territory), suggesting adversary ARV programs exist.
Thomas Townsen Brown and Anti-Gravity
Thomas Townsen Brown’s Biefeld-Brown effect (coupling between electromagnetism and gravity) was demonstrated in a vacuum in Paris in 1956.
Upon returning to the U.S., he was picked up in a black Cadillac by Robert Sarbacher (his close associate).
After RAND Corporation observed his experiments, they mysteriously failed—suggesting covert IP transfer to Northrop Grumman via investor Floyd Odlum (majority stakeholder in Northrop).
Carl Noll (deputy CTO of Northrop Grumman) told Jesse Michels to “watch Jesse’s video on Thomas Townsen Brown” when asked if there was anything useful in the UFO story—strongly implying the technology was implemented, possibly in the B2 stealth bomber.
Brown was deeply interested in time travel (gravity and time are coupled in general relativity); Steven Spielberg (who had access to classified UFO information) executive-produced Back to the Future featuring “Doc Brown” (Emmett Brown = EMT Brown, same initials as Thomas Townsen Brown) using a flux capacitor (Brown’s experiments involved capacitors) to travel back to 1957—the year Brown’s work went black.
Hollywood as Soft Disclosure
Multiple filmmakers appear to have been fed classified UFO information.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Features Jacques Vallée as a character; crates labeled “Skunk Works” and “TRW” (TRW was the contractor behind the Zodiac program).
E.T.: Features psionic connection between E.T. and the boy (heart rates matching); the mother cannot see E.T. because she is perceptively closed off—mirroring the consciousness/perception theme in UFO research.
The Abyss (James Cameron): Deals with USOs (unidentified submerged objects).
Men in Black: Derived from real Men in Black encounters documented by Richard Dolan; Dolan believes they may be a counterintelligence group of the NHI themselves, not just government agents.
Spielberg’s new film Disclosure (2025) may feature a UFO, which Chris Ramsey suggested would be an ideal method of soft disclosure.
TRW’s Eric A. Walker connection: Walker served on TRW’s board of directors.
The Weaponization Problem
The dominant orientation of UAP legacy programs has been weaponization, which both hosts view as deeply problematic.
The 1988 Norton show included the Pulsar UAV carrying 120 nuclear warheads, with officials “raving” about destroying Russia in 20 minutes.
Zero-point energy systems could deliver nuclear payloads in a quarter of a second or create effects more devastating than nuclear warheads.
Randy Anderson was told the technology he saw was classified as weaponry due to an electronic discharge during retrieval.
The pattern mirrors the Manhattan Project’s evolution: first payload potency, then payload delivery (ICBMs, stealth).
UAP Gerb argues the orientation should be meaning-making and civil-side infrastructure, with defense applications as a secondary benefit.
Both express concern that weaponizing technology from a potentially sentient non-human intelligence, while treating psionic assets as expendable (given drug cocktails, some dying), risks provoking a response from forces “way greater than us.”
Eric Davis and ARV Skepticism
Eric Davis (Hal Puthoff’s protégé, propulsion expert) has stated that alien reproduction vehicles do not exist and that no one-to-one reproduction has occurred.
UAP Gerb finds this implausible given the weight of testimony and offers two explanations: either Davis is lying, or he was only read into a narrow subset of programs (overlapping with Lockheed’s attempt to transfer Kingman materials) and genuinely doesn’t know about ARV programs.
Davis did acknowledge that Hal Puthoff interviewed Brad Sorenson (the Norton ARV witness), but the details of that interview have never been shared publicly.
Davis also claimed the only FFRDC he knew of was the Aerospace Corporation, which UAP Gerb disputes given the extensive FFRDC/UARC network involved in classified work.
The Men in Black Question
The nature of Men in Black remains ambiguous.
Richard Dolan believes they may be a counterintelligence group of the NHI themselves, with technology beyond what’s publicly available.
UAP Gerb leans toward them being NSA spooks.
Whitley Strieber described an implant in his ear that moves with his metabolism; he wants it removed but says it moves every time surgery is attempted.
The Tactical Reconnaissance Engineering Assessment Search Team (TREAST) was supposedly created by Stubblebeare and mentioned by Fuche and Hans-Adam II, Crown Prince of Liechtenstein—who appears to have genuine interest in secret science.
Hal Puthoff, when asked whether the programs belong to the NHI or to us, responded: “What if it’s a joint space program?”
The Scale Question: How Many Craft Do We Have?
Estimates range from 10–15 to over 1,000.
Ryan Wood’s Magic Eyes Only documents over 100 crash retrieval cases; even if only 20% are true, that’s 20+.
Greer and others claim one to two craft are brought down per year at some black sites.
Crash causes vary: conflicting radio signatures (Roswell), nuclear testing (Kingman 1953, Operation Upshot-Knothole), psionic forcing (Barber), EM weapons, and the Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars) which likely had a back door to fund UAP programs and act offensively against UAP.
Craft designs are not ubiquitous—there are egg shapes, saucers, triangles, octagons, and tic-tacs, suggesting different types of NHI, some manned, some not.
UAP Gerb’s assessment: we probably cannot summon craft at will, or there would be far more leakage than we’ve seen.
The Disclosure Landscape and Bad Faith Actors
The Jake Barber story broke during peak news madness around the 2025 inauguration, leading to poor mainstream coverage.
The 45-minute News Nation special was poorly edited; Ross Coulthart’s 2-hour 47-minute follow-up and testimony from Don Paul Veils and Dr. John Blitch helped refocus the conversation.
David Grush is described as “beyond reproach” by both hosts; he provided hundreds of documents (possibly 1,000+ pages) to ICIG Thomas A. Monheim, who called them “urgent and credible.” No action has been taken.
The Ken Klippenstein hit piece against Grush was based on tips from the DoD/IC; Klippenstein receives funding through USAID-connected channels.
Several prominent debunkers are described as bad-faith actors who pre-debunk stories before listening to details, threaten lawfare, and question the service records of whistleblowers like Randy Anderson and Jake Barber.
UAP Gerb describes the intelligence community’s tactic as “flooding the zone” with snake oil, making it nearly impossible for average people to sift through.
Ongoing Investigations and Future Episodes
UAP Gerb is producing a follow-up episode with Randy Anderson, diving deeper into SIC (Science Applications International Corporation) and its role in psychotronic/psionic research.
A new whistleblower (USAF, stationed in the Azores area) claims to have seen a Tic Tac unloaded from a C130 Hercules; UAP Gerb plans to interview him.
The C130’s insignia and wing affiliation provide actionable leads for identifying nearby contractors, air wings, and FFRDCs.
The egg-shaped craft off the Azores and other cases remain active areas of investigation.
UAP Gerb’s broader mission: to responsibly disclose UAP legacy programs, including what the craft are, where they’re from, why they’re here, and how the programs have been constructed—including the dark aspects of sentient being exploitation and human psionic asset abuse.
